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porcus 1 weeks
Yikes - Bolton said that NK should follow the Libyan model?!? THAT'S THE WHOLE PROBLEM! How to get the Kims out of NK without anyone dying. It's perfectly acceptable to give Kim immunity for anything he has done in NK, just so long as he and his family leave NK and it transitions into a democracy.
Seed 1 weeks
@porcus Expecting North Korea to transition into a democracy is expecting a bit much from Kim Jong Un. State-sponsored propaganda has misinformed the North Korean populace and has clouded their ability to make adequate decisions, and Kim Jong Un is not going to give up any power he has except maybe if the Koreas are unified. In reality, democracy is a very high-maintenance form of government for it to properly function, it requires significant attention exercised onto governance and politics by the citizens of a state. As any western citizen can attest, this is an extremely arduous and demanding effort that is highly difficult to keep from falling apart or from being manipulated. If North Korea actually did transition to a democracy, you have no guarantees that it would not revert into a dictatorship within the near future. EDIT: That, and you can totally expect China to meddle in a democratic North Korea's political affairs, possibly Russia too
porcus 1 weeks
@seed, I am aware that it's unlikely to be a democracy, but it is still something to aim for. As for Kim Jong Un not leaving, I think he is trapped - he can't leave NK, and staying there long term is very problematic too. He is either going to voluntarily leave, or he will end up doing it in a body bag, a fact that he is aware of.
Seed 1 weeks
I think what you mean, porcus, is liberal democracy, or democracies under the liberal tradition with an emphasis on freedom, rights, etc. I don't think you mean a society where rights are very limited by popular will; that is where democracy leads to tyranny of the masses or other nightmarish scenarios. The thing is, liberal democracy is in itself not a necessity for human liberties not conducive to social chaos and entropy to be largely respected (liberties in the Hobbesian sense, where liberties are inherent to humanity but some of which can be sacrificed in exchange for the security of the state so as to end a war of every man against another). Religious freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of movement, etc. are all capable of being respected under non-democratic governments; the difference is the fact that westerners seem to conflate liberal democracy with democracy in general due to western history.