Portland Mayor demands Trump remove federal troops ’from the city’

Portland Mayor demands Trump remove federal troops ’from the city’

Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler has demanded Trump remove federal agents deployed in the city, who have been accused of brutality against protesters and journalists. Reports claim that employees of militarized law enforcement have refused to identify themselves. Wheeler calls off Trump stating that this is but a media strategy ’and it is an absolute abuse of federal law enforcement officials.’

Rohan
Rohan
Matthew
Matthew 3 weeks

I am for limiting federal power as much as anyone. However, a few things to clarify. First, law enforcement does not need to immediately tell you why you are being detained nor do they need to immediately marandize you. Second, unmarked vehicles are completely constitutional. Third, all law enforcement needs to detain you is probable cause (its a fairly low bar...see stop and frisk laws). Fourth, federal agents, have the jurisdictional right to arrest/detain on federal land (all I have seen is that the arrests are taking place at or near federal buildings and monuments). Fifth, the arrests have taken place in a city with a curfew (after curfew from the reports I have seen) or in response to actual ongoing violence/destruction of property (both situations are legal probable cause). Sixth, in an area with ungoing riots and threats to federal property, wearing anything associated with antifa or carrying anything that could be a weapon will also be considered probable cause. Seventh, it is amazing that the same people on here that are angry about this are the same people that are angry that the covid responsw was not nationalize. Its like you just want the government to enforce your will regardless of its legality or constitutionality or a decernable underlying principle. If it is shown that federal agents are randomly wondering all over Portland and arresting random people walking down the street I will change my mind because that is unconstitutional.

Pryotra
Pryotra 3 weeks

Thing is, all of this is legal, and frankly they are using the kiddie gloves. They've already declared the rioters terrorists, and that means they can deploy anti-terror resources and tactics. They're not really doing that, outside of who I think is DHS agents doing the detaining. By the way, that's an important distinction. These people are being detained, and not arrested. That means no Miranda Rights are needed. They're being upfront asked to waive their rights, which means they're rights are being respected. Wild huh? There's more. There's legal basis to detain them: they match a profile based on eyewhitness accounts, "fled" the scene of a crime, and the weirdest bit? They're likely looking for evidence of 2 different crimes: aiding/abetting and destruction of federal property. If you're in this environment dressed in black because you wanted to "show solidarity" or whatever, they can argue that you are acting as a smokescreen for the rioters, and have done this intentionally. Now here's the catch: without evidence, they're likely not going to arrest you. They'll detain you, maybe try to question you or even get you to waive your rights, but if you simply ask for your lawyer and wait they'll let you go relatively quickly. They're being smart about this, sure, but as much as they're toeing the line they've yet to cross it. Now, remember that I mentioned DHS and the anti terror resources? I garuntee that these people are getting entered into a database. They're building the cases against these people, and when they have enough it's likely going to be far bigger charges than the destruction of property charges they can currently point to to justify this. It's scary, to be sure, but after a month and a half of seige to the federal courthouse I'm surprised they aren't just declaring the rioters as traitors and enemies of the state to justify bringing in the military and clean house.

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