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Norway outlaws hate speech against trans people

Norway outlaws hate speech against trans people

Norway’s parliament has outlawed hate speech against transgender people, expanding its penal code which has protected gay and lesbian people since 1981. People found guilty of hate speech face a fine or up to a year in jail for private remarks, and a maximum of three years in jail for public comments. Norway is considered one of the most liberal countries in Europe for LGBT+ people.

KCooper
KCooper
the terrible rabbit of death
the terrible rabbit of death 1 months

Define "hate speech" if it is not call to violence towards an individual or a group it is free speech.

Andrew
Andrew 1 months

And I'm sure transgenders won't abuse these laws or lie because they are totally reasonable when it comes to jokes. I've literally heard them say they want to Merc all straight people but that's cool.

Brian
Brian 1 months

Imagine the mental gymnastics required to call yourself a liberal while throwing people in prison for a year for privately expressed thoughts. I guess by the same pretzel logic North Korea is the most liberal country in the world for sadistic labor camp guards.

Stefnir
Stefnir 1 months

For private comments? Fucking hell... And what is hate speech? Can you be jailed for a joke? These laws are a slippery slope.

Young Conservative
Young Conservative 1 months

This is a gross violation of the human rights of those in Norway, hopefully challenged to the full extent of the law. The law says incitement to violence, which I fully agree with, but also language that "dehumanizes" will be made illegal. What does dehumanize mean? Who determines what is and is not dehumanization? Does questioning transgenderism (the idea you can simply change your gender), the refusal to use preferred pronouns, challenging childhood "transition" or critism of policies like "trans women can use women's bathrooms" constitute dehumanization? It seems most terrible things in the world come from Germany, Russia or the Nordic countries. Jordan peterson said it best "in order to be able to think, you have to risk being offensive"

Seekster
Seekster 1 months

So I can possibly be put in jail for calling a biological man a man? Note to self: never visit Norway. I try not to visit countries that don't have freedom of speech.

Ted
Ted 1 months

Just based on the quotes in the actual article, it only refers to direct incitement (I'd assume of violence) or harsh dehumanization. Maybe not as bad as it sounds but I've heard people say using the wrong pronoun is dehumanizing so it could be a real issue if they aren't careful.

Randy
Randy 1 months

No speech should be outlawed, and maybe it shouldn't even be a tort. People have to take responsibility for their own actions. Speech is speech. What people choose to do, even based on that speech, is their own action, for which they must bear the full burden of responsibility. Speech is not violence. Even advocating and glorifying violence is not violence. Governments especially should not have the ability to wall of since direct as unacceptable. Elected governments must be responsive to and representative of all their citizens, including the hate-spewers.

TexasReb
TexasReb 1 months

Thank God for our Constitutional Freedom of Speech in the USA. Imagine going to jail for on guy saying something derrogatory to his friend about a tranny and going to jail for it. How barbaric is that? Jail for private words.

solodolo
solodolo 1 months

While I absolutely despise people who harbor hate towards the LGBT community for their voluntary sexual preferences, the fact that liberals don't understand the slippery slope that is using the state to enforce hate speech laws to punish people is absolutely frustrating. You cannot....CANNOT imprison people for hate speech, because that same logic can be used to do the same to people you simply disagree with. And if you give the state that kind of power, they ALWAYS abuse it. They never NOT take it too far. And that's what frustrates me with liberals, they have convinced themselves that their moral compass is so pure that it is infallible, and end up doing the very thing they claim to be against.

Justin
Justin 1 months

Outlawing speech doesn't sound very liberal to me. I don't think people should be mean either, but come on man.

Old McBundy
Old McBundy 1 months

“One of the most liberal countries” “Jail time for private remarks related to transgender people” That’s not supposed to be how that works. A liberal nation shouldn’t be imprisoning people for words. That is a country that needs to get out the tar, feathers, and ropes for its government officials.

Ellen
Ellen 1 months

Daily you see the Western world moving towards becoming police states with regulated speech. I’ve been insulted many times in my life. We all have. Just suck it up. As my grandmother said, sticks and stones can break my bones but names can never hurt me.

MozartFX
MozartFX 1 months

White people better toughen the F up.

Jarrett
Jarrett 1 months

Already laws like this is Canada. Hate speech laws,bill c-16. This is a slippery slope.

Kubi
Kubi 1 months

To elaborate to any Americans freaking out on this. Coming from a Norwegian with rather conservative view on things. Unlike in the US. Hate speech os defined very differently in Norway. While in the US, everything is blown into outragous exegerration where you may or may not get arrested for hurt feelings. Hate speech in Norway is more specific. It does not punish you for hurt feelings. It punishes you for direct threats and speeches that encourage prosecution of people groups. In other words, anything that mimics the Nazi regime. And unlike the US, Norway knows very well how it is to live under a Nazi regime, as it was occupied by Germany and did have a sizeable number of Nazi sympethisers during that time. You can still joke and call a trannie for a man or woman whatever their biological gender is. But you cant directly tell them that you are going to find out where they live, drag them into a internment camp and have em gassed. And besides, even if you do so. Just google Norwegian Prisons. You'd be surpriced that it might not be the worst place in the world. But i do fully understand why so many Americans in the comment section freak out. Because there is no such thing as moderation in the US. Only extremes. Thats the core issue of the US culture. Dosnt matter what political bias you have. I've lived in the US for ~3 years in total and been in 10y relation ship with a US citizen. I know very well how things are in the US. The US is a great place, but it has some serious issues in handling themselves and and showing some level or restraint one way or another.

Ranger
Ranger 1 months

Every country should be doing it as well

TexasReb
TexasReb 1 months

This comes down to thought control.

eclipseNF
eclipseNF 1 months

This is absolute cancer

Doppleman
Doppleman 1 months

Norway parliament doesn't see trans as people, so they need to precise they are protected, like everyone, by their vague hate speech laws.

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